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Gay Marriage and Civil unions for all Option
12.16.04 (10:34 am)   [edit]

The civil marriage option solves nothing for the opponents of gay marriage.  People could still marry someone of the same sex and it would have the same legal standing, viz., nothing, as someone marrying someone of the opposite sex. This they do not like and so no social con speaks of Holland as having workable compromise.  


 


Divorced from the rights issue, churches would be free to marry whom they pleased, gay or straight. Social conservatives want to retain the legitimacy conferred on their viewpoint by having the state sanction it. Without this sanction the biblical interpretation of, say, the Baptist council has no more legitimacy in the eyes of the state than does Unitarian interpretation.


 


Besides, the civil union option is disingenuous.  Changing the name of something does not transform it into something else. Civil unions would just be marriage by another name. 


 


That said, there is a lot invested in the word “marriage”.  What Harper’s proposed amendment amounts to is this.  People can marry someone of the same sex, but the state will not semantically equate these marriages with someone marrying someone of the opposite sex.   Equal rights, but not equal recognition.  (The so called tradition definition of marriage as being between a man and women is really no definition at all.  It is simply a legal clause limiting who can enter into such a legal contract, which is better defined by the rights and legal obligations assumed by two people upon them entering into that contract – which also means it has changed countless times over the years.  The Conservative proposal would change this.  Marriage would be defined not only by these rights and obligations, but also by who entered into the contract.)    & nbsp;     


 


Why is this problematic?  Well, go back a ways.  There was a time when mixed race marriages were not allowed in some parts of the States. I imagine everyone here has no problem empathizing with the people who wanted to change this.  That said, for those of you who think that civil unions for gays and marriage straights is no big deal image a similar proposal having been made for mixed marriages.  What would be the basis for you calling one a small difference and the other substantive?


 


The fact of the matter is that enshrining bigotry in law by mandating that different terms by used to describe the same thing is affront to those seeking equal rights.  


 


 

 


posted by: toophoo (reply)
post date: 12.16.04 (11:09 am)

Sometimes I wonder what politicians are thinking. Unless they too are or ever have been a member of a group that has faced discrimination then they really don't understand how important it is to be treated with equality.

I am a gay man in Texas who has been in a relationship with the same man for 14 years of my life. We have been raising a wholesome, healthy and happy child together. We started from meager beginnings and moved our way up into our first home and live our lives extremely based on family values so that we do not define our lifestyle as a gay one, but a family one.

Is that not marriage? I never gave it more than an instant thought, because it didn't affect my life one way or the other... but the more I learn about it the less appealing so-called "civil unions" seem. We are human beings who love one another and cannot not help our sexual preference any more than we can help the color of our skin. So to be expected to live without the right to marry if so chose to is hurtful and I'd even say evil.

I admit to having been complacent about this issue for years, because I really don't feel the urge or need to marry my partner legally. But recently, I have witnessed instances of homohatred at my workplace and I realize the world still has a longer ways to go than I thought regarding gay rights. I don't think people will change quickly enough, after all, there is still a lot of racism going on in the United States. The bottom line is this... no matter how much they try to deny us our rights we are still present and live no differently than heterosexual couples. That we will forge strong relationships that will often outlast those that are not gay and that we will continue to love, to exist among heterosexuals, and to be born into the world as long as they keep procreating. We aren't another species... we are a part of you. Either make a good decision based on love or make one that is wrong and wholly based on evil. Gay marriage is good; anything less is wrong.



posted by: lance weisser (reply)
post date: 02.19.05 (9:04 pm)

I completely and gratefully agree with everything expressed here, including toophoo's remarks. You have a great way of breaking things down and explaining the significance of large issues, koby.

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