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Layton's Failed Toronto Approach
04.11.08 (10:57 am)   [edit]

Layton can strut around and proclaim himself the second coming Christ all he wants. So long as Liberals refuse to bring down the government, the NDP’s vote is entirely academic and everyone knows that Jack’s act is nothing but fake bravado. Indeed, forget what Layton says his party’s record of voting against the government. Look at what the NDP are doing in committee and it clear that they focusing on the Liberals and not the Conservatives — just ask to the party strategists. “Damaging Harper and the Conservatives on ethical issues like the Cadman mess mainly helps the Grits, and that’s not in our gameplan.”

So how is the attack the Liberals first strategy working for the NDP? Not well. The NDP have lost their way. The NDP dreams of replacing the Liberals as the official opposition. Never mind the fact this goal is pie in the sky nonsense, the NDP have decided that best way achieving this goal is emulate, to a degree that would make Tommy Douglas role over in his grave, a sad sack Liberal party. The cause of social democracy de damned. In other words, a historical reversal has happened. Whereas the NDP used to be content to let the Liberals steal their policies, if it meant advancing the cause of social democracy, the NDP now seeks to copy the current Liberal party’s ideological incoherence.

Not surprisingly, NDP voters within the 416 and 905, the only region of the country in which NDP and Liberals actually compete, are moving back to the party that actually stands a chance of “getting results” for people during the next election. To make matters worse for the NDP, the emergence of the Green party has seen the urban environmental vote move from the NDP to the Green party. If there was an election this spring chances are Layton will keep his seat, albeit barely, but Chow, Marston, Charlton and Nash will loose their seats.

Of course, the NDP’s troubles are not limited to Toronto region. In BC Dawn Black, Penny and Bell would be in a world of hurt if there was an election called this spring.

It should be dawning on the NDP party brass that the party the best chance to grow the party is not in the 416 and 905. The NDP has to go back to its Western roots and focus on taking back voters that had abandoned them for the Reform Party in 1993 and then gone on to vote Conservative. It still polls far better in BC and Sask than it ever has in Ontario, especially Toronto. They should also look to be fighting it out with the Conservatives to pick up the Liberal votes that have slowly been bleeding away over the years to both themselves and the Conservatives in Northern Ontario. Lastly, they should be looking to pick up Bloc voters in Quebec. Yes Outremont was a Liberal seat, but it was Bloc vote that gave the NDP the victory and not erstwhile Liberal voters.

 


posted by: Sean S. (reply)
post date: 04.11.08 (1:57 pm)

this same old tired argument again? sigh...

The NDP is attacking both the Cons and Libs....because they can gain from both...



posted by: koby (reply)
post date: 04.11.08 (2:44 pm)

They should be attacking the government more than the opposition, but they are not even attacking both Liberals and Conservatives in equal measure. They are so fixed on the Liberals that they go out of their way to insulate the Conservatives from scandal. “Damaging Harper and the Conservatives on ethical issues like the Cadman mess mainly helps the Grits, and that’s not in our gameplan.”



posted by: janfromthebruce (reply)
post date: 04.11.08 (5:16 pm)

yawn, there are actually stats that show this is profoundly untrue, but I am sure if lib bloggers say it enough times, they will convince, oh, other bloggers. Yawn



posted by: koby (reply)
post date: 04.11.08 (6:01 pm)

yawn is right. It matters not how many bills the NDP have voted against. They have nothing at stake. Besides, it helps keep the Conservative and NDP narrative alive that the NDP is truly the only opposition out there. Anyway, what matters is not a mere accounting, but who the NDP's various ploys are aimed at, and what they doing in committee. It is obvious to the media and the average lay person alike that the NDP is targeting the Liberals and taking it easy on the Conservatives. The classic example is what the NDP has done to shield the Conservatives from scandal. “Damaging Harper and the Conservatives on ethical issues like the Cadman mess mainly helps the Grits, and that’s not in our gameplan.”



posted by: Anonymous (reply)
post date: 04.11.08 (6:33 pm)

You have no idea what you are talking about, and provide absolutely no evidence to support your conclusions. Your electoral analysis is absolute make believe; the idea that there are any plausible circumstances under which Jack Layton would "barely" hold on to his seat is laughable.

What's more, you are obviously trying to paper over the truth when you claim that "[s]o long as Liberals refuse to bring down the government, the NDP’s vote is entirely academic and everyone knows that Jack’s act is nothing but fake bravado." There is not a single serious political analyst who would disagree that the NDP will continue to vote against the Conservative agenda whether the Liberals continue to rubber stamp it or not.

Please spare us this sillyness.



posted by: Robert McClelland (reply)
post date: 04.11.08 (9:46 pm)

Here, have a cracker, Polly.



posted by: koby (reply)
post date: 04.11.08 (10:46 pm)

For the rest of the world the following is sufficient: “Damaging Harper and the Conservatives on ethical issues like the Cadman mess mainly helps the Grits, and that’s not in our gameplan.” However, you want me to dig up Musclair and Pat Martin doing their best to shutdown the Cadman mess.

>>>>> “the idea that there are any plausible circumstances under which Jack Layton would "barely" hold on to his seat is laughable.”

Open those baby blues; Toronto Danforth is not Vancouver East. He won by 7,000 votes less time and 3000 in 2004. Oh and by the way, the NDP were at what 12% in Ontario in the last decimal poll and what 14% in today’s Nikos poll, they got torched in the two by-elections. Let me things into perspective. The NDP is consistently polling above 10-12% in Quebec. Last election they took 7.6% of the popular vote in Quebec. In other words, the NDP is up 5% in province with about a quarter of Canada’s voters and yet they down below what they were in last election. Ergo the NDP is loosing voters in the rest of the country.



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post date: 07.15.08 (9:18 am)

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