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The Fly Paper Theory
07.09.05 (10:23 am)   [edit]

“I’m breaking the rules of the game here (no attacks on U.S. soil = Bush has made the U.S. less safe; a total of 2 attacks in other western democracies = Bush has made the world less safe), but please indulge me." 


The Iraq war is doing for a new generation of Jihadists what the Afghan war did for a previous generation.  It is radicalizing them training them in the art of war.  


Indeed, in so far as many of today’s Jihadists do not go to Iraq with any type of training, they can not be considered terrorists per say.  However, that is how they come out.  In a strange twist of fate, the situation in Iraq is such that terrorists have been able to replace the terror camps in Afghanistan with on the job training in Iraq.  The local population has been welcoming enough and forthcoming enough with information such that the Jihadists have been able to establish some sort of base of operations within the country coupled with some semblance of a command structure.  Indigenous forces (e.g., ex Republican guardsmen) have also provided Jihadists with invaluable training.       


To say that the US is safer now that thousands more Jihadists are proficient in the use of explosives, for example, strikes me as rather odd. 


That said, what is truly troubling is what all of this bolds for the future.  Afghanistan did not become a problem right away. It was really only after the Soviets pulled out that returning Jihadists began to cause major problems. Ironically, the US may find itself in a situation where victory in Iraq may spell greater danger for the US as Jihadists leave Iraq for greener pastures.      & nbsp; 


"I’m wondering why you focus on Iraq as a recruiting tool for al Qaeda, but seemingly overlook the fact that regime change in Afghanistan, by its very nature, could have only one outcome, and that outcome was ‘surprise! a recruiting tool for al Qaeda! ‘Who would have thunk it?’"    


The Afghanistan operation had more legitimacy in the eyes of world than did the Iraq operation.  For this reason alone it is not the “recruiting tool” that Iraq is.  Another reason is that Iraq is an Arab country right in the heart of the Arab world and Afghanistan not.  


Finally, for or strategic reasons the Jihadists have also tended to emphasis the Iraq as opposed to Afghanistan.  Pretty much every country in the world backed the operation in Afghanistan.   As a result, the Jihadists can not divide the West by attacking a country (e.g., Canada) under the sole pretext that it supported operations in Afghanistan.  Indeed, it would have the opposite affect; it would drive the West together.


The Jihadists know this.  One of the dominate themes of various Jihadist’s websites is how to best divide and conquer.  Hence, the kidnapping of two French reporters to protest the headscarf ban in France was roundly criticized on the grounds that it was drive the West together.  When the reporters were eventually released, the captors expressed “appreciation for the French attitude on the Iraqi question and the two journalist’s attitude toward the Palestinian cause”.           


The best that can be said about the fly paper theory from a US point of view is that it has brought the “war on terror”, via Al Jazzera and other Arab networks, into the living rooms of those in the Arab world.  This has and will continue to stimulate debate in the Arab world. 


 

 


posted by: PastorDave (reply)
post date: 07.10.05 (2:16 pm)

So, what do we do? These people seem to hate America, our culture, and our Capitalism. Their hatred is expressed in more than words, but murder. I believe the American agression in Iraq is a statement to jihadists worldwide- "Don't mess with America." It is complicated and ugly, but worth it.



posted by: newbie (reply)
post date: 07.13.05 (5:40 pm)

“I believe the American agression in Iraq is a statement to jihadists worldwide- "Don't mess with America." Come again? If you mess with America, America will invade some country that had produced no terrorists prior to 911. This is idiotic. Most of those who favored going into Iraq, myself included, did so on the grounds that a democratic Iraq would in time transform the whole middle East.

I have since become disillusioned with the war in Iraq. Bush showed the courage of his convictions. However, there is no getting around the fact that this administration is grossly incompetent, highly ideological and rigid.

“These people seem to hate America, our culture, and our Capitalism. Their hatred is expressed in more than words, but murder.”
Who the hell are “these” people? By completely ignoring the social political circumstances that gave birth to the Jihadist’s movement, you help foster an environment that is not conducive to lessening the likelihood of another attack. Things are a hell of a lot more involved than they “hate America, our culture, and our Capitalism” end of story. A greater effort must be made to understand Jihadism and before you object laying out the causal nexus is not justifying the actions of the Jihadists. There is, as it were, a difference between the context of explanation and the context of justification.





posted by: entozoa (reply)
post date: 07.15.05 (5:45 pm)

It may be true that there is no convincing terrorists to stop being terrorists - they are brain-washed after all.

What's important is that we can stop the next generation of terrorists by addressing the root causes that allow young muslims to be conscripted into the terrorist ji-had.

Arabs, muslims, or whatever group you identify as terrorists (liberals?) are not inherently evil.



posted by: George (reply)
post date: 11.14.05 (11:54 pm)

Your words have prophetic. From Slate "Newsweek examines the connection between the war in Iraq and last week's deadly bombings in Jordan. "If Afghanistan under the Taliban was a backwoods school for terrorism, Iraq is an urban university," the article says, suggesting that Iraq has become a springboard for terrorist acts around the world. Lawlessness and an alleged financial link between al-Qaida and the insurgents make Iraq prime ground for terrorism training. The Jordan bombings could be just the beginning of Iraq-centered initiatives, the article says. According to a classified CIA report, a "defeat of the insurgency in Iraq would unleash experienced, capable and vengeful terrorists on the rest of the world, and particularly the United States." … Time's article also asks if this bombing is "just the start" of "spreading … terror beyond Iraq," noting that if Jordanian Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is responsible, it could symbolize his organization's growing strength. However, the article is hopeful, emphasizing "that al-Zarqawai's murderous tactics may be forcing Muslims to confront the threat he poses to their societies."




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post date: 03.26.06 (9:59 am)

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